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Roses
@Marlorena I would be very grateful for your advice. I don't know much about roses except that I love them and I want to buy several more plants this Autumn. Ideally, I would like scented (the stronger the better), free standing, repeat flowering and if possible, disease resistant. Can you tell me what I am looking for. So far I have accumulated the following, but am now only realising what I really like and want...............
My favourite puchase to date is Remember Me, beautiful single stemmed large flower, fabulous scent, thorny.........I also have a Cornelia which is ok, lovely scent, a Roseraie delHay, beautiful colour, lovely scent (thorny as hell!), a 4 year old DA (lost the name card) peach coloured heavy petalled rose, lovely scent but flowers really are really too heavy for the stems, few thorns. A lovely yellow, scented repeat flowering, some thorns, name unknown. A repeat pink flowering rose, lovely shaped flower but little or no scent, few thorns, unknown also, but she flowered her socks off this year. They are all planted singly around the gardens, back and front.
I want to grow a dedicated rose bed, with I think, old fashioned large single flowered shrubs, similar to Remember me, what would you advise?
I have been dead-heading all of them, but the nurseryman told me to stop dead-heading the delHay towards the end of the season as it produces large hips. Is now the time to stop dead-heading it? Is it necessary to dead-head all roses in order to encourage repeat blooming?
Any and all information welcome.
Thanks!
Mary
My favourite puchase to date is Remember Me, beautiful single stemmed large flower, fabulous scent, thorny.........I also have a Cornelia which is ok, lovely scent, a Roseraie delHay, beautiful colour, lovely scent (thorny as hell!), a 4 year old DA (lost the name card) peach coloured heavy petalled rose, lovely scent but flowers really are really too heavy for the stems, few thorns. A lovely yellow, scented repeat flowering, some thorns, name unknown. A repeat pink flowering rose, lovely shaped flower but little or no scent, few thorns, unknown also, but she flowered her socks off this year. They are all planted singly around the gardens, back and front.
I want to grow a dedicated rose bed, with I think, old fashioned large single flowered shrubs, similar to Remember me, what would you advise?
I have been dead-heading all of them, but the nurseryman told me to stop dead-heading the delHay towards the end of the season as it produces large hips. Is now the time to stop dead-heading it? Is it necessary to dead-head all roses in order to encourage repeat blooming?
Any and all information welcome.
Thanks!
Mary
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Have a look at the David Austen site or the Style Roses site. Lots of information on which varieties to choose. Fragrance, repeat flowering, size. etc.
Let me answer a couple of questions... 'Roseraie de l'Hay' does not produce that many hips, just a few... it should repeat bloom so it's too early to stop deadheading roses that repeat flower... I might stop around mid September, or even later depending on variety.. yes you should deadhead roses to encourage repeat blooming... I just pinch them off as I see them when going around the garden.
Your 'Remember Me' rose is a modern hybrid tea... these are not roses I grow, but a rose of this type would not be regarded as ''old fashioned single flowered shrubs''.. that is different to what you have... modern hybrid teas are not like that.. so I need to be clear of what you want exactly... but I'm guessing the following roses would be what you would like...
'Chartreuse de Parme'.. one of the most scented modern roses you can buy. Large deep pink hybrid tea blooms..
'Rachel'... a similar colour to your 'Remember Me'... highly scented hybrid tea..
'Scepter'd Isle'... strongly scented Austin rose, always in bloom regardless of weather, upright and sturdy.. Very healthy..
'Munstead Wood' .. old style sweet scent, an Austin rose, thorny, but very popular alternative to 'Gertrude Jekyll' which can grow very large..
...if you really do want ''old fashioned single flowered roses''... then they will look like this below.. please tell me if this is what you want or not?..
'Rosa moschata' variant... white single flower scented of cloves..
..this is 'Chartreuse de Parme'... is this what you prefer?....
@Marlorena ........... I told you I know nothing about roses, I thought the flower shape of Remember Me, Chartreuse and similar meant they were old fashioned roses. The Rosa moschata above and similar, with the flat 5 leaved flowers were all rambling/wild roses. I always thought that the shape/how many petals a rose has determined the type of rose it was...........
Yes, the Chartreuse de Parme is the flower shape/type I much prefer, Munstead looks lovely also. Scepter'd Isle looks very similar to the DA rose I have, too many petals, very peony looking. The flowers on the DA rose I have are very cupped in shape, they sort of faces downwards, so you can't fully see the flower.
What type of roses do you grow?, from pictures I've seen that you post, they all look beautiful.
I really should buy a book about roses, but it is great to get advice about particular plants from people who actually grow the the plant in question.
Thank you for taking the time to help me.
i have a book from the 'growing you own series' by Alan Titchmarsh, but I don't find that as useful.
it sounds to me you like hybrid teas. I am the same, as these are the types of roses that I grew up with.
Gardeners World have had three segments on roses from the old roses to the HTs and Floribundas - so if you can watch the last three GWs, you will seen them. The young chap doing the segments recommended Deep Secret as a very fragrant HT. (It is dark red.)
I thought that was the type of rose you would prefer. The roses I grow these days are Austin's, Old Fashioned Roses, and shrub roses.. I have a few floribundas but no longer grow hybrid tea roses. As you develop an interest in roses, we generally find that people move on from hybrid teas to explore other types...
Strictly speaking, the first hybrid tea was 'La France' which came out in 1867, so everything before 1867 is an Old Fashioned Rose type, however this is a very loose designation these days, and most of us that grow these types of roses, would generally feel that anything before around 1920 ish would be ''old fashioned'' enough.. even up to the 1940's or so... and most gardens with old fashioned roses would usually consider anything 19th Century, to be suitable...
..so roses like 'Chartreuse de Parme' are definitely not old fashioned... modern roses like these took off from the 1950's/60's...
I dislike the stiff stick like habit, that doesn't fit into a busy garden border too well, mixed with other plants, they get submerged and look out of place.... but still, they are the most popular... you might also like 'Chandos Beauty'... it was mentioned on the t.v. GW recently... I only watch the rose segments on this programme and they don't have too many of those...
Tastes change over the years... best of luck with your roses...
I've been doing a lot of research/reading about roses, and yes as you both predicted it is the hybrid teas I've totally fallen for. I caught Gardeners World last week for the first time in over a month, funny that they've been doing segments about roses over the last 3 weeks.
I will definitely look out for that book @ElizaRose.
OH has been busy preparing the area for my new roses.........all I have to do now is to finally decide which ones I want, my list is getting shorter