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Mystery tree

AdstidAdstid Posts: 78
Hello. Can anyone shed any light on a puzzling tree I have in my border? I think it is a viburnum - but I'm not sure. This is my second year in a 3-acre garden and I can't quite remember what this particular tree did last year. I have a feeling it flowered twice - differently - as if once as it was meant to and once from shoots growing from below a graft union. I would say one flowering was your standard yellow viburnum and the other something more "special"-looking, but I honestly can't remember - last year's gardening is all a bit of a blur with so many plants to get to know!
A few days ago when I was weeding beneath it I snipped through a lot of vigorous twining shoots that looked like they might be suckers - I didn't want the root stock to "take over" and the "proper/special" tree to be lost. But today, coming with my tripod ladder to untwine and remove those severed stems from the canopy (and that of the neighbouring tree) I am even more confused. Because there are similar vigorous twining shoots coming off from higher branches, not only from below the possible graft union. They are all young shoots - none of the old growth is so long and twining. All these shoots twine around the older stems and each other and are very difficult to remove without damage. What am I dealing with here? And should I be taking out all these twisting shoots or leaving them all be? Any ideas? 
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  • AdstidAdstid Posts: 78
    edited May 2018
    Oops - just realised I typed viburnum instead of laburnum! 
  • LiriodendronLiriodendron Posts: 8,328
    I agree, it looks like a wisteria, trained as a standard.  But I'd expect a standard wisteria would have a main stem (like a trunk), then top growth which has a weeping habit and is supported with some sort of framework.  Confusing...  If it is a wisteria you could get some flowers in the next few weeks, which would help the identification.

    I'd say don't do any radical pruning until you're sure what you're dealing with.  This could be one for @nutcutlet...
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    If it is wisteria, it would need some fairly special pruning to keep it as a standard tree.
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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    For sure. Just wise to go carefully and get some advice.
  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 17,618
    If it is a Laburnum tree, they could be suckers coming from the rootstock as it is usually a grafted tree.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    My bet is laburnum  :)

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • AdstidAdstid Posts: 78
    Exactly what I thought, fidgetbones. And I was busily taking them out until I saw that some were coming from branches rather than below where the graft union would be - at which point I got cold feet and posted on here! 
    Young stems of wisteria and laburnum look pretty similar, Freddie's Dad - I'm pretty sure it's the latter - though I agree a standard wisteria would be a lovely thing. My friend has one that is glorious. 
    I will hold fire for a couple of weeks till it flowers and see if the situation becomes clearer. I should say that the previous owner of the garden had a taste for the unusual (and a budget to match) so there are some weird and wonderful things in my garden - which is great, but every so often it stumps me, as now!
  • LiriodendronLiriodendron Posts: 8,328
    Still not sure about the laburnum ID.  In my experience laburnum leaves have more of the "pea" about them, with leaflets in threes... though there are other small trees with leaves more like yours, for instance Koelreuteria paniculata, Pride of India, or Cassia fistula, the Golden Chain tree, which has flowers very like laburnum.  Time will tell, I guess!   :)
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
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