Can you help ID these two climbers?

SandT · April 2018

Hello. A house near me has a beautifully fragrant clematis up their wall. I'd love to know exactly which it is: it 4 or 5 petal flowers & slender glossy leaves.

I also need something to creep along an unsightly wall which is only 5ft long and 3ft high. Any ideas are welcome, otherwise I spotted this red one below in our neighbourhood but don't know what this is either.

Thanks

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Borderline · April 2018

The first photo looks like Clematis Armandii, and the second photo could be Trachlespermum Jasminoides.

Silver surfer · April 2018

1. Looks like Clematis armandii Snowflake.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Clematis+armandii+Snowdrift&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBxr2to6vaAhXEasAKHTBYD5cQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=943

2. Looks like the red winter colour of Trachelospermum jasminoides.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&biw=1920&bih=943&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=CVzKWrfROKrdgAbBg4CQDQ&q=trachelospermum+jasminoides+winter+red&oq=trachelospermum+jasminoides+winter+red&gs_l=psy-ab.12...46198.46970.0.48400.4.4.0.0.0.0.92.324.4.4.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.1.92...0i30k1.0.ozWqrpkVBMk

SandT · April 2018

Ah perfect, thank you! I never would have guessed the Jasmin Trach as didn't realise it went red (we have some elsewhere that's never done well.) I will try this in the front.

I'd like to grow something fragrant and long lasting up the front of our Victorian terrace and around the door. I only need a width of about 70cm though so I guess the Clematis Snowflake would be too vigorous and spreading? Thanks!

Borderline · April 2018

I would say it's too vigorous for what you want. Can't think of anything with fragrance at the top of my head right now. If I do, I'll post later.

Fire · April 2018

Out of interest, do the leaves' winter colour depend on summer conditions, the amount of sun it has had in the year etc, like virginia creeper? I'm wondering if they would turn red in a more shaded position...

Borderline · April 2018

I don't grow them myself, but have heard that if they're grown in very sunny positions, they are more likely to have red leaves in the winter time. Let's see if others have experienced this...

SandT, have you considered training a Camellia over your front door? I have seen them trained against walls in gardens, and they look superb all year round, and come spring time, the flowers are just perfect. If you have neutral to acidic soil, Camellia Sasanquas are fragrant and very showy. Plenty to choose from. You could always grow another climber over it in the summer time if you need additional colour over the summer.

I like Jasmines myself and Jasminum Officinale Devon Cream would be a lovely plant to train over your front door. Summery and cottagey. Both prefer a sunny front door. Not ideal for a shady door though.

Sheps · April 2018

This is one of mine, planted in a large pot about 2yrs ago and it gets about 7hrs of sunshine a day. A few weeks ago it was much more red in colour, so I guess as the temps have started to rise it is in turn starting to turn more green.

Can you help ID these two climbers?

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