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How much to trim back Portuguese Laurels badly attacked by vine weevils?

Over the last 2 summers 100s of vine weevils ravaged our Portuguese Laurels, which now look straggly and bare, except for the highest tips.

So I'm thinking of cutting them right down in 2 weeks' time, so that there's only about 9 inches left above the rims of the pots.

I hope that if I cut them right down, they'll bush with much fresh growth this spring and summer, and then if I keep gently trimming their tips, they'll eventually become tall and thick.   Ideally we want a screen of dense green, and not to be able to see the glass panels behind the laurels.

Would YOU cut them down as low as I'm planning to do?

Or would you cut them down even lower?

Or not so low?

Or perhaps only the tips at the top?

There are bound to be vine weevil grubs coming out of hibernation in the coming months, so I'm planning to spray new growth with a strong vine weevil spray from May to October, and then see if these shrubs can be saved.

If not, then they'll all just have to be replaced with shrubs which vine weevils avoid.  But of course I'd rather not have to go to all that bother and expense.

Here are two photos of their current state:





All good advice will be most gratefully received!

Thank you.



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  • steephillsteephill Posts: 2,841
    Are you sure it was vine weevil damage? The adult weevils will eat notches out of the leaves but I can't see any signs of that in your photo. It may just be that the photo is too low resolution to see the damage clearly though, if you have a close-up of damaged leaves that would confirm it. I would also be surprised to find hundreds of weevils on your plants, that would be a very heavy infestation indeed and I would think you wouldn't have any leaves left at all in that case.

    If you do have weevils then the most important thing is dealing with the grubs, they can kill the plant by eating the roots. I would suggest trying the nematode method to get rid of the grubs. Once that is done you can prune your laurel fairly heavily, by about 2/3rds. Sounds drastic but once the plants are healthy they will soon bulk up again.
  • BorderlineBorderline Posts: 4,700
    I'm not convinced it is Vine Weevil attack. I can't see any tell-tale signs on the leaves. But I notice some brown dried up leaves and very sparse covering particularly on the lower parts.

    I think your shrubs have wind damage and wind scorch. The shrubs are crushed into very thin planters and at that height, and lack of early pruning to maintain bushiness, it's been possibly battered by the winds. I think the planters need to be a bit larger to sustain the type of coverage you are expecting. They need consistent watering and care to be planted in such small planters. If you want to maintain the hedge, it could be quite a challenge.
  • Trim by 2/3rds only.  Thanks, steephill.  I know from our Portuguese Laurel hedge out in the garden that they fight back very well after being trimmed on top.  But will a 2/3rds trim ensure lots of growth from the base and the branches inbetween?

    2/3rds doesn't sound too drastic to me.  Used to have a massive garden and know that some bushes can be cut practically to ground level and will respond positively and thrive.  But never had Portuguese Laurels before.  So I'd like to be SURE of what will happen if I cut the bushes really low.

    100% sure it was vine weevils, steephill, because each evening last summer I shook 100s of the devils from those bushes onto the adjacent paving, then quickly snatched them up with a bit of loo paper, squashed them flat, and disposed of about 20 per night down the loo!  The evening tally was quite a joke.  "How many tonight, love?"  We took it in turns.  "Weevil Patrol"!

    The infestation was severe.  Weevils adore compost in pots, so easy to burrow into, and particularly in warm positions.  The reason why the bushes are still alive and why they have some leaves on them still is that we were onto the problem from the start.  Three applications of nematodes at different times, as well as a spray onto the leaves.  The nematodes were a big disappointment.  Expensive, applied as directed, they should have done the job.  Subsequently learnt that Swansea University researchers found that a third of nematodes in each pack are dead upon arrival!   Lord Heseltine called a Vine Weevil Summit on his estate two summers ago, at exactly the time our whole street was infested.  There's a video of the conference online.  Basically there isn't a single product available at the moment which will see the devils off 100%, due to pesticide regulations.

    Here's a snap I took last summer of the devils' favourite tucker in our street!  Thankfully we don't have any of these shrubs in our own garden, but pity those who do.



  • BorderlineBorderline Posts: 4,700
    edited March 2018
    Skylark001, if that was a photo from before, then it's clear to me you have done a good job in treating the shrub.

    Just prune the shrubs down if you want to maintain dense coverage, but I stand by my earlier comments, growing Portuguese Laurel in such thin planters will mean high maintenance and keeping it looking in tip-top conditions will be quite tough. 
  • Borderline, yes, the branches aren't as many as they should be, but that was because just a few months after they went in the bushes were so under attack I was loathe to trim them - particularly as the weevils attack lower leaves most.  But given the fact that the bushes were under attack from the start, I think you'll agree they've grown rather well!  Portuguese Laurel is tough, but the leaves can't fight off vine weevils by themselves, and of course a couple of sharp shakes every night to knock the weevils off didn't help the leaves either!  Also, I think the massive treatment which they received was hard on them.  In addition to nematodes and BugClear Vine Weevil Killer spray, I used a Vine Weevil killer drench (drenching the soil to kill off the grubs).  So these poor plants have really been through the mill.  BUT they are still there!  Would be nice to nurture them back to great health!
     
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    What sort of growing medium are your laurels in?  Vine weevil grubs love soft cosy multi-purpost-type composts.   They'll feel much less at home in a good gritty John Innes No 3 loam-based medium with some added horticultural grit.  

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Be kind and give them a bigger trough to grow decent roots but, to be honest, using chemicals at that level is unsustainable so I would urge you to plant something else in fresh compost and more generous containers.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Thanks for the further comment, Borderline.  How low would YOU trim them down?  Would you support my going down to leave only 9 inches above ground?

    Of course I realise that there will definitely be SOME weevils appearing again in May, and that they'll want to eat, and so if the only foliage is low that'll suit them fine.  Not far to climb for dinner!
  • DovefromAbove, the medium is quality manure, just what they love, and my research into vine weevils suggests thick, dense, clayish soil is the best defence against them - as that they cannot burrow into!  But lugging such soil through the house and up onto the balcony is not an option.

  • Obelixx, each planter is 10 inches wide, 20 inches deep, and 24 inches from left to right: so quite a lot of volume for their roots, don't you think?  I've had bigger bushes in pots that size before. 

    Anyway, how low would you cut them down?

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