Maybe if the maximum that a family could get on benefits ,was reduced to that of an adult working 40 hours a week on minimum wage , less tax and NI, then a few of those that have never worked might deem it better to try and get any job, than sit at home. I work in a Pharmacy with an attached subpost office, and it is totally demoralising for the staff who work their butts off for a bit above minimum wage, to see those who are on various benefits collecting their weekly dole, which is often more than the staff get for working. The current maximum is £24,000 per year. A person would need to earn 30k to take home that. We should always look after those who are ill or have fallen on hard times, but the welfare state should be a safety net, not a feather bed.
I think that no developer should be given permission to build on a greenfield site in an area where there are brownfield sites. There are acres of victorian housing and derelict factories that need clearing and rebuilding as new eco friendly homes.
Have to agree Fidget. When did it stop being a safety net?
I spent my teen years in Cheshire countryside. I went potato picking once. Back breaking, filthy, cold and badly paid. Ditto turkey plucking once at Xmas. The farmer brought us the corpses still twitching but at least he was no Bernard Matthews. The turkeys were grown to order and had a good life and space to move once they'd gone into the barn for the final fattening.
After that I got a paper round and a Saturday job in a shop. Much better conditions and pay.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I know Dove but a still twitching turkey is not like a pheasant or a grouse! I was 14 or 15 and had come from the suburbs of Manchester. Loved all the fresh air and open space but not so much the gory and smelly bits. Cheshire so lots of dairy but also pig muck spreading......... I can remember having to ride my bike thru piles of disinfectant soaked hay to get to and from school during a foot and mouth break out. Clearly far more local and less devastating than the recent ones.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
You can't pass building regs with a chimney in a new house . And even really small children won't fit up a gas flue . You could possibly employ them to program the heating controls though
Building on a brownfield site is much more expensive than building on greenfield and houses are already too expensive. The only house many people can afford is a very small new build as it is - if that new build were required to be built on brownfield land, the millennials would have even longer to save up to get one.
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
At the age of 16 Ma left her office job in Luton to become a Landgirl, having enjoyed summers spent feeding the chickens and calves on her uncle's farm ......... a steep learning curve for her too but eventually she became a farmer
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Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Well Inglezinho, when you started this thread with a statement were you expecting to get the full outpouring of verbal diarrhoea that you eventually ended up with? Still I guess it gave people the chance to offload any concerns they may have had even if they appear to have lost the plot completely, made completely irrelevant comments and segued off into what used to be.
My garden won't be affected by Brexit. It will carry on needing weeding, pruning, plant re-siting etc. etc.
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Cacoethes: An irresistible urge to do something inadvisable
LB - sometimes the only thing to do with a thread is head off topic.
However, at the mo, plants and seeds can move freely within EU borders.
Given the huge numbers of bedding plants, bulbs, perennials, trees and shrubs that are grown in bulk on the continent and then shipped en masse to the UK I should think Brexit will already have affected prices and once the divorce is complete it may well affect availability of plants and tools for gardens depending on what the UK team can negotiate and whether or not the UK decides to restrict or otherwise control imports to protect not only home growers and producers but also keep out unwanted organisms.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I did potato picking twice, we used to get half a bucket of the cut potatoes to take home as well as pay. I thought that was what half term was for. It was always called potato picking week. I did peas once. That was backbreaking. Then I got old enough to get a job in a shop. Newsagent with wandering hands, followed by Woolies cheese counter one Xmas, then a Sweet shop.
I get really peed off when someone who signs the back of prescriptions as income support, moans that they have to pay for antimalarials for their jaunt to the Gambia.
As one of the staff said, you don't need antimalarials for a week in Skegness.
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Maybe if the maximum that a family could get on benefits ,was reduced to that of an adult working 40 hours a week on minimum wage , less tax and NI, then a few of those that have never worked might deem it better to try and get any job, than sit at home. I work in a Pharmacy with an attached subpost office, and it is totally demoralising for the staff who work their butts off for a bit above minimum wage, to see those who are on various benefits collecting their weekly dole, which is often more than the staff get for working. The current maximum is £24,000 per year. A person would need to earn 30k to take home that. We should always look after those who are ill or have fallen on hard times, but the welfare state should be a safety net, not a feather bed.
I think that no developer should be given permission to build on a greenfield site in an area where there are brownfield sites. There are acres of victorian housing and derelict factories that need clearing and rebuilding as new eco friendly homes.
Have to agree Fidget. When did it stop being a safety net?
I spent my teen years in Cheshire countryside. I went potato picking once. Back breaking, filthy, cold and badly paid. Ditto turkey plucking once at Xmas. The farmer brought us the corpses still twitching but at least he was no Bernard Matthews. The turkeys were grown to order and had a good life and space to move once they'd gone into the barn for the final fattening.
After that I got a paper round and a Saturday job in a shop. Much better conditions and pay.
They'd have been much harder to pluck cold Obs ... and the skin would have torn
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I know Dove but a still twitching turkey is not like a pheasant or a grouse! I was 14 or 15 and had come from the suburbs of Manchester. Loved all the fresh air and open space but not so much the gory and smelly bits. Cheshire so lots of dairy but also pig muck spreading......... I can remember having to ride my bike thru piles of disinfectant soaked hay to get to and from school during a foot and mouth break out. Clearly far more local and less devastating than the recent ones.
You can't pass building regs with a chimney in a new house
. And even really small children won't fit up a gas flue 
. You could possibly employ them to program the heating controls though 
Building on a brownfield site is much more expensive than building on greenfield and houses are already too expensive. The only house many people can afford is a very small new build as it is - if that new build were required to be built on brownfield land, the millennials would have even longer to save up to get one.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
I used to pluck geese
At the age of 16 Ma left her office job in Luton to become a Landgirl, having enjoyed summers spent feeding the chickens and calves on her uncle's farm ......... a steep learning curve for her too
but eventually she became a farmer 
Last edited: 26 August 2017 16:58:18
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Well Inglezinho, when you started this thread with a statement were you expecting to get the full outpouring of verbal diarrhoea that you eventually ended up with? Still I guess it gave people the chance to offload any concerns they may have had even if they appear to have lost the plot completely, made completely irrelevant comments and segued off into what used to be.
My garden won't be affected by Brexit. It will carry on needing weeding, pruning, plant re-siting etc. etc.
Last edited: 26 August 2017 17:40:32
Well just as well you've come along to steer us back to the straight and narrow eh?
LB - sometimes the only thing to do with a thread is head off topic.
However, at the mo, plants and seeds can move freely within EU borders.
Given the huge numbers of bedding plants, bulbs, perennials, trees and shrubs that are grown in bulk on the continent and then shipped en masse to the UK I should think Brexit will already have affected prices and once the divorce is complete it may well affect availability of plants and tools for gardens depending on what the UK team can negotiate and whether or not the UK decides to restrict or otherwise control imports to protect not only home growers and producers but also keep out unwanted organisms.
I did potato picking twice, we used to get half a bucket of the cut potatoes to take home as well as pay. I thought that was what half term was for. It was always called potato picking week. I did peas once. That was backbreaking. Then I got old enough to get a job in a shop. Newsagent with wandering hands, followed by Woolies cheese counter one Xmas, then a Sweet shop.
I get really peed off when someone who signs the back of prescriptions as income support, moans that they have to pay for antimalarials for their jaunt to the Gambia.
As one of the staff said, you don't need antimalarials for a week in Skegness.