I have just purchased 4 x 70L bags of Durstons MP from a local timber yard for £11.50. I used Durstons 2 years ago and had very good results.
As per Excitable Boys comments on 04.05.12. it does look really good, it also smells sweet and has no big lumps of wood, plastic or other debris (so far). However there are no "Peat Free" statements on the bags that I can see, so I guess it contains some peat. Of course I am like the majority of the gardeners concerned at the impact of using peat based composts, but I need to get my remaining 50+ toms potted on.
I spoke with the yesterday. All they would do is spout my rights and tell me I would have to prove the B&Q compost was the cause of my destroyed crop. I would then have to make my complaint to B&Q customer services with the evidence.
I also tried calling my local trading standards office but got fed up with being N°99 in the que and hung up
I am now heading outside to speak with my tomato plants. I am sure I will get a more sensible response than from the Institute of Trading Standards !
"I spoke with the Institute of Trading Standards yesterday. All they would do is spout my rights and tell me I would have to prove the B&Q compost was the cause of my destroyed crop. I would then have to make my complaint to B&Q customer services with the evidence"
GC: Trading standards departments are much depleted these days, and a lot of consumer protection work is dealt with differently.
In any event, poor quality compost is more of a civil than criminal problem (which is TS departments' remit), and it could be argued that B & Q have a "duty of care" to the ultimate consumer, which extends to there not being noxious or dangerous substances in the product. It would also have to be fit for purpose - and arguably, it is not. But it needs to be taken up with B & Q.
Actually, I also think that, because this seems to be a regular problem across different brands, the RHS could well take it up. I'm no longer a member, but anyone who is may care to bring it to their attention.
I have tried B&Q customer services and also dealing direct with the store I purchased from. Please see first page of this discussion.
I am not a scientist, but I do believe someone knows what a multi purpose compost, or any other compost, should and should not contain to provide plants with the correct nutrients for heathy growth. How on earth can we prove it is the compost rather than our lack of ability ?
GC I know that you have already tried to sort this out directly with B & Q but all I am suggesting is that Trading Standards is not necessarily the right path to take. (I am married to a retired TSO). I have posed the question directly with B & Q and have still to receive an answer. The weight of the RHS might bring about a response at least. At the moment, I am deafened by their (B&Q's) silence.
I have no doubt that there is something radically wrong with a lot of multi purpose compost. The desire to be peat-free has resulted in some pretty dreadful stuff being out there in the market place. (And given the very small amount of peat that gardeners use, it is ironic that we seem to shoulder most of the blame, irrespective of the vast depletion of the resource for power generation, for example).
I have spoken with said OH who says that he had cause to look into problems some years ago. Apparently, there was (is?) an industry standard for compost, and laboratories in Hertfordshire were much involved in being able to test etc etc. (His memory is not what it was, bless, but I'll try to find out a bit more and let you know if there is anything to add).
I suspect this is a typo, and it should read grass, not glass!! As even decent quality books these days have glaring typos I suppose we cannot expect much from labels like this.
Returning to compost, I have got some B&Q multipurpose with peat, a step backwards as I had not used peat for a few years, but the peat free this year was impossible. It is not quite a bad so far as some of you have found. I suppose it varies from batch to batch and maybe where it is made. I never use compost straight from the bag, always mix several things together in a huge plastic tub called 'Mum's mixing pot'. I add JI seed or 1 for weight, vermiculite for drainage and grit as well. So far so good. There have been unacceptably large bits of hard bark, the odd stone, twigs etc., in it, but I suspect that unless you are a commercial gardener that's what is going to happen as these rules have been dumped upon us. As ever the rules are changed without any discussion as to whether the item will be fit for purpose when used - as if a money counter would care! They will do when in the future we all stop buying the products. I will not buy council made compost as I do not believe they get it hot enough to kill pernicious weeds, and I know that is what I put in my garden bin. Anything useful goes into our own compost heap.
Doesn't look like a typo to me. "All glass bottles and jars" in middle section. "Glass from greenhouses" in first section. And no to "Grass turves" in third section.
You are entirely correct, I apologise, that will teach me to look properly at the pictures sent - that really makes no sense at all does it?
Glass or no, the compost situation really is very bad this year, it started last year and has gone streadily down hill since - it is hard to get anyone to listen as we don't have much individi=ual pwer, but surely en masse we must be several hundred thousand? Maybe we need a champion, like a decent MP or someone in the public eye, with a petition to get the 'powers that be' to listen?
OK Bookertoo - start an on-line petition and we'll sign up to see if it will do any good! (I suspect that, unless the European Commissars have an input, not a lot will happen . Cynical? Moi?)
Not content with just polluting our ground and containers. Guess what the end of my finger found in a bag of J arthur Bowers aquatic compost, less than a hour ago. A rusty length of wire............whey aye, tetanus anyone...
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I have just purchased 4 x 70L bags of Durstons MP from a local timber yard for £11.50. I used Durstons 2 years ago and had very good results.
As per Excitable Boys comments on 04.05.12. it does look really good, it also smells sweet and has no big lumps of wood, plastic or other debris (so far). However there are no "Peat Free" statements on the bags that I can see, so I guess it contains some peat. Of course I am like the majority of the gardeners concerned at the impact of using peat based composts, but I need to get my remaining 50+ toms potted on.
I spoke with the yesterday. All they would do is spout my rights and tell me I would have to prove the B&Q compost was the cause of my destroyed crop. I would then have to make my complaint to B&Q customer services with the evidence.
I also tried calling my local trading standards office but got fed up with being N°99 in the que and hung up
I am now heading outside to speak with my tomato plants. I am sure I will get a more sensible response than from the Institute of Trading Standards !
Cheers GC
Sorry all the above should have read:
"I spoke with the Institute of Trading Standards yesterday. All they would do is spout my rights and tell me I would have to prove the B&Q compost was the cause of my destroyed crop. I would then have to make my complaint to B&Q customer services with the evidence"
GC: Trading standards departments are much depleted these days, and a lot of consumer protection work is dealt with differently.
In any event, poor quality compost is more of a civil than criminal problem (which is TS departments' remit), and it could be argued that B & Q have a "duty of care" to the ultimate consumer, which extends to there not being noxious or dangerous substances in the product. It would also have to be fit for purpose - and arguably, it is not. But it needs to be taken up with B & Q.
Actually, I also think that, because this seems to be a regular problem across different brands, the RHS could well take it up. I'm no longer a member, but anyone who is may care to bring it to their attention.
I have tried B&Q customer services and also dealing direct with the store I purchased from. Please see first page of this discussion.
I am not a scientist, but I do believe someone knows what a multi purpose compost, or any other compost, should and should not contain to provide plants with the correct nutrients for heathy growth. How on earth can we prove it is the compost rather than our lack of ability ?
GC I know that you have already tried to sort this out directly with B & Q but all I am suggesting is that Trading Standards is not necessarily the right path to take. (I am married to a retired TSO). I have posed the question directly with B & Q and have still to receive an answer. The weight of the RHS might bring about a response at least. At the moment, I am deafened by their (B&Q's) silence.
I have no doubt that there is something radically wrong with a lot of multi purpose compost. The desire to be peat-free has resulted in some pretty dreadful stuff being out there in the market place. (And given the very small amount of peat that gardeners use, it is ironic that we seem to shoulder most of the blame, irrespective of the vast depletion of the resource for power generation, for example).
I have spoken with said OH who says that he had cause to look into problems some years ago. Apparently, there was (is?) an industry standard for compost, and laboratories in Hertfordshire were much involved in being able to test etc etc. (His memory is not what it was, bless, but I'll try to find out a bit more and let you know if there is anything to add).
I suspect this is a typo, and it should read grass, not glass!! As even decent quality books these days have glaring typos I suppose we cannot expect much from labels like this.
Returning to compost, I have got some B&Q multipurpose with peat, a step backwards as I had not used peat for a few years, but the peat free this year was impossible. It is not quite a bad so far as some of you have found. I suppose it varies from batch to batch and maybe where it is made. I never use compost straight from the bag, always mix several things together in a huge plastic tub called 'Mum's mixing pot'. I add JI seed or 1 for weight, vermiculite for drainage and grit as well. So far so good. There have been unacceptably large bits of hard bark, the odd stone, twigs etc., in it, but I suspect that unless you are a commercial gardener that's what is going to happen as these rules have been dumped upon us. As ever the rules are changed without any discussion as to whether the item will be fit for purpose when used - as if a money counter would care! They will do when in the future we all stop buying the products. I will not buy council made compost as I do not believe they get it hot enough to kill pernicious weeds, and I know that is what I put in my garden bin. Anything useful goes into our own compost heap.
You are entirely correct, I apologise, that will teach me to look properly at the pictures sent - that really makes no sense at all does it?
Glass or no, the compost situation really is very bad this year, it started last year and has gone streadily down hill since - it is hard to get anyone to listen as we don't have much individi=ual pwer, but surely en masse we must be several hundred thousand? Maybe we need a champion, like a decent MP or someone in the public eye, with a petition to get the 'powers that be' to listen?
OK Bookertoo - start an on-line petition and we'll sign up to see if it will do any good! (I suspect that, unless the European Commissars have an input, not a lot will happen
. Cynical? Moi?)
Not content with just polluting our ground and containers. Guess what the end of my finger found in a bag of J arthur Bowers aquatic compost, less than a hour ago. A rusty length of wire............whey aye, tetanus anyone...
It's beyond humorous now.